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This book looks beyond Henry VIII's six wives, examining the women with whom the King had, or is believed to have had, affairs and the illegitimate children he is believed to have fathered. Beyond the limits of policy and diplomacy, it presents the King as a serial monogamist, a man who spent his life searching for the one, perfect woman he was destined never to find. (froThis book looks beyond Henry VIII's six wives, examining the women with whom the King had, or is believed to have had, affairs and the illegitimate children he is believed to have fathered. Beyond the limits of policy and diplomacy, it presents the King as a serial monogamist, a man who spent his life searching for the one, perfect woman he was destined never to find. (from the book's introduction)...

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The Other Tudors: Henry VIII's Mistresses and Bastards Reviews

  • Jemidar
    2019-03-15 10:11

    What made this book three stars for me rather than the two stars it probably deserves, was that it wasn't just about the 'usual Tudor suspects' but mentioned other lesser known but still interesting inhabitants of Tudor society. I really enjoyed reading a Tudor biography that wasn't the same old, same old and that included people I wasn't necessarily familiar with. However, whether or not these people ever had relations with or were related to Henry as the author claims is an entirely different matter.This is not a scholarly work by any means, but I didn't expect it would be going in so I wasn't disappointed. It had a friendly gossipy tone which suited the subject matter and also the level of the information being passed on. There were several errors in the basic facts about Henry's childhood/life and I also spotted some errors amoung the chapters on people and events that were reasonably well known to me, so it would be naive to assume that the author managed to get everything right with the people who I wasn't familiar with. That said, I still enjoyed reading about them. The author also did that annoying 'might have''could have' stuff that is so rife in current popular historical biography and her suppositions showed how little understanding of Henry's court and it's politics or the religious and social mores of the time she had.Despite its faults, I did ultimately enjoy this gossipy little book, but would advise anyone reading to take all facts with a grain of salt. It definitely had the feel of something that was thrown together in a hurry to cash in on current Tudor popularity.

  • Meaghan
    2019-02-21 17:13

    Gah. I hated this book. I had problems with virtually every aspect of it. The author makes grand sweeping conclusions that fly in the face of other historians' theories. Which is fine...if you have the evidence to back it up. In this case, Philippa Jones argued that Henry VIII had a lot more mistresses and bastard children than everyone thinks he did. The generally accepted total of bastards is definitely one, perhaps two, no more. Jones presents a total of FIVE people she names as his children.And as to evidence... nothing but a mishmash of assumptions and speculations, with liberal use of terms like "maybe" and "probably" and "perhaps" and "should have" and so on. I looked at her endnotes and see mostly secondary sources, and she even cites Wikipedia. I mean, I love Wikipedia but it shouldn't be cited in a proper history book; that's just lazy and bad form. And the writing isn't very good, and the chronology skips back and forth so much that it's very confusing. For instance, Jones attempts to cover the rise and fall of Anne Boleyn in a mere 21 pages and WITHOUT mentioning the birth of her daughter Elizabeth. (She talks about Elizabeth's birth in another chapter, but still.)I most sincerely do NOT recommend this book. Two stars is generous.

  • Renee
    2019-02-23 15:57

    Horribly edited, questionably researched ... She spent too much time on wives and legitimate children, I guess to make the book longer. Just no.

  • Sarah
    2019-02-24 13:48

    Henry VIII is one of those historical figures that most everyone has heard of, even those today not interested in history. He’s usually remembered for being the dude with six wives and being a really nasty tyrant. It’s intriguing to see him in a different light, through the different lenses of his different wives, mistresses, and illegitimate children. He’s still a tyrant but one who’s a bit more understandable and relatable.It was interesting to examine the personage of Henry from the point of view of someone eternally looking for his definition of love. He sounds like a perfectionist that was always looking for an ideal that didn’t exist, not letting anything or anyone stand in the way of that pursuit. That balanced with the demands of his kingdom and ruling gives us one of the biggest names in history.I love exploring obscure historical figures, and you can’t get more obscure than a royal mistress with no name (as one example of Henry’s many loves). This book goes into detail the lives of the women who shared his heard and bed, however little a time that may be. The children that resulted from those liaisons round out a picture of a man who felt deep, intensely, but briefly.Despite the subject matter and the exploration of obscure historical figures, this book had a major flaw. The author tended to wordiness, to the point where I got bored to tears at times. She would spend pages after pages after pages on the minutiae of Henry’s children’s lives, up to old age, that I felt like we lost sight of the book’s intentions or goals. The introduction led me to believe that we were exploring Henry’s loves and children as a reflection of him as a person and that goal was reached for the most of the book. Yet, at times, way too much information was included in the narrative, and I got lost in the shuffle.A stimulating subject and the depth of knowledge and research behind this book grab the attention of readers. However, this book suffers by an overly-verbose delivery that drags it down. I got lost in a slew of facts and figures that seemed to deviate and meander away from the central topic. While interesting in their own right, I felt like some of the meanders were out of place and boring in this book. Now a bad work on this subject but not the best either.

  • Rabbit {Paint me like one of your 19th century gothic heroines!}
    2019-02-27 15:02

    DNF on pg 50. Meh.

  • Kim
    2019-03-22 11:12

    When I heard about this book, I was quite excited. Everyone knows about the three children Henry VIII had by his first three queens, and most people remember the famous illegitimate son that Henry raised clear up to a dukedom, but it seems that there were indeed more children by "bluff King Hal". Jones is quite thorough in her research, though there are a few typos here and there.(view spoiler)[I was quite intrigued by this close examination of Henry's extramarital affairs. He is famous for marrying his mistresses, but clearly those women were only the tip of the iceberg, and his four most famous children only the beginning. I didn't entirely agree with Jones about her analysis of Mary Boleyn's children, though she did state her case very thoroughly. Still, I've always subscribed to the idea that Catherine Carey was the elder of Mary Boleyn's Carey children, and thus could possibly have been Henry's child. Very well-researched, and interesting! I learned quite a bit! (hide spoiler)]

  • Paula
    2019-03-21 16:53

    Good book, but more scholarly than I thought at first. LOTS of details, even to the point of discussing latest descendants of Henry VIII now living in England. Some pictures that I have not seen before, and details of events I was not aware of. I liked it, but it would make a great book report for an English class.

  • Laura
    2019-03-15 10:16

    I gave up about 40 pages into it. The author was making unsupported claims about what certain historical figures thought and felt. The writing sometimes went way off course. It's still on my bedside table in case I get an irresistible urge for some Tudor trashtalk, but I think I'm ready to throw in the towel on this one.

  • Sarah Bryson
    2019-02-26 14:49

    I discovered this book while looking around the Amazon.com website. I was intrigued right from the start as I have always been fascinated with Mary Boleyn whom had been a mistress to Henry VIII before he married his second wife Anne Boleyn. I have read a little about Bessie Blount, another of Henry’s mistresses and about the son Henry Fitzroy he had with her, but had not read any more about any other mistresses or children. I was excited to get this book and dove with an open mind and was quite impressed.Philippa Jones has a writing style that is very easy to read. Her words flow in a manner that makes the reader feel as though they are reading a story or a diary rather than a series of facts. I enjoyed the way she presented her findings, giving some information about the mistress whom had a relationship with King Henry VIII. Then if a child was born from that relationship Jones moved on to speak about the child’s life and how the King, although not always openly acknowledging the child, gave assistance and support. I also very much liked that Jones went into a great deal of depth about each child’s life, looking at their younger years, right through their lives up until their death. I felt this gave the reader a deeper understanding and knowledge about each child and the type of person that they grew up to be. It was also very fascinating to read how Henry VIII’s legitimate children, Mary, Edward and Elizabeth interacted with the adults whom may have been their half brothers or sisters. I enjoyed this as it felt as though Jones was providing an all-round image of each illegitimate child and helped the reader learn as much as possible about their lives. There was only one small statement that I had a slight issue with and that was concerning the dates and order of the births of the Boleyn children. Jones wrote that Mary Boleyn was the oldest child, born in 1499, George was born next in 1504 and Anne was born in 1507. Jones does state that there is considerable debate about the dates and the order of the births of the Boleyn children and I have to agree with her. I have to admit that I tend to side with historian Eric Ives in the belief that Anne Boleyn was born in 1501 and George in roughly 1504, and not at the dates that Jones gives. Yet this is my only slight complaint about the book and honestly since there is debate over when the Boleyn children were born it is a very minor complaint at all! I did like that Jones proposed that Mary Boleyn did not sleep with King Francis I during her time in France. It is a very common belief that Mary succumbed to the French King’s charms, went to his bed and for a short time became his mistress. However although this is a very common belief there is very little evidence to support this. In fact the only evidence are two letters written decades after Mary’s time in France, both of which are quite slanderous to Mary and her sister Anne. I thoroughly enjoyed the fact that Jones challenged this common belief and gave a little more credit to Mary Boleyn’s chastity. I cannot say I completely agree with all the women Jones put forward as Mistresses to Henry VIII, nor all the children she stated were bastards of the King. Personally I just do not believe that the evidence put forward always means that the child born was a bastard of Henry VIII. There could be a multitude of reasons why Henry VIII supported the mother and child, reasons that do not have to be simply because the child was his bastard. It could even be as simple as that Henry favoured the parents of the child or they were loyal members of his court. Whatever the reasons I will say that Joneses book was a fascinating read. I think that so much of Henry VIII’s private and sexual life was carried out with such secrecy and discretion it is difficult to know the real truth about the women that he slept with. And it is even more difficult to know the truth about any children that may have been born to him out of wedlock. Especially since there was no such thing as DNA testing back in the Tudor age! History is often full of speculation and what ifs, but I do think that Philippa Jones presented detailed cases for each mistress and bastard and supported her statements with a great deal of evidence and information. What each person draws from this information is up to them.I found this book to be an absolutely fascinating read. It was really interesting to learn more about the women and children who had a part of Henry VIII’s life. Often we only learn about Henry VIII, his six wives and the three children legitimate children that survived him. Joneses book gives the reader the opportunity to learn more than that just this. She opens up a different side of Henry VIII, a lover, a father, a man whom cared deeply about the women he was with and the children he had. This is defiantly a great book to read if you want to learn a little more about the private life of Henry VIII and the mistresses and children he had.

  • Michell Karnes
    2019-03-18 16:09

    This was a book detailing the many women and children both legitimate and illegitimate of Henry VIII. The author used primary sources to follow the evidence of the lives of these children who were the children of Henry. I found some of the details hard to follow and while I don't doubt the author's evidence I am surprised that this is the first book I have found to chronicle these additional women and children.

  • Savina
    2019-03-13 10:48

    Quite informative into the families of the women that Henry had or possibly had children with as well as what happened to these children. I knew going into this book that Henry had 4 children, 3 from his first three wives and one from a mistress that grew to age 17. But to hear of 8 children fathered by Henry VIII, very fascinating.

  • Mary Beth
    2019-03-01 12:12

    Was looking forward to reading this book. Got so more insight into the king's mistresses. A lot of the book was more political and on Mary I and Elizabeth I reign's in conjunction with some of the bastards.

  • Trish
    2019-03-14 17:11

    Some real leaps are made here.

  • Lyns
    2019-03-21 17:10

    A history book that reads more like a soap opera script. Very interesting and gossipy.

  • Katie
    2019-02-24 18:05

    So boring and it didn't really get into the lives of the mistresses. It went through Henry's life and it was almost like the mistresses were a footnote or something.

  • Katie
    2019-03-19 11:03

    I enjoyed some parts of the book, and other parts I felt tempted to skim. The tone of the book is definitely academic and not for those with merely passing or casual interest in the Tudor period. But the tone (in my opinion) sets certain expectations for the accuracy of the writing and the substance of the research that I felt were not met. There were occasional errors in names, but the errors I noticed most (besides spelling) were dates. (Example: Elizabeth Amadas is said to have married for the second time in 1532. two sentences later, her BIRTH year in given as 1580, and it is stated that she would have been around 50 at the time of her second marriage.)The background on the individuals assumed to be Henry's "other" illegitimate children was interesting, but at times a bit too in-depth. (The contents of the letters to the Council concerning the childish bickering between Loftus and Perrot in Ireland, for example, added nothing to my enjoyment of the book or understanding of the person...but it was one of the more detailed chapters.) I agree with other readers that the author tends to make sweeping generalizations and assumptions that she does not back up with adequate sources. Some of them are interesting -- after all, new theories have to begin somewhere, right? Some of them are almost laughable, when viewed against other works with better support, though I am not one to dismiss ideas simply because no one else has ever said it. The author even points out claims made (and in some cases, even generally accepted) that turn out to have only one obscure -- and possibly even anachronistic -- source. But with the wealth of writing that exists on the Tudor period, some of the assumptions made in this work feel lazy rather than new or daring.Overall, I am glad I read this book. I would not recommend it as a source for any historical research, unless you were to use it as a starting point for digging deeper and finding MORE support for some of the claims made herein (if such support exists). Having read numerous nonfiction and historical fiction writings on Henry VIII and the Tudor period, it was, at the very least, interesting to see some of the more peripheral names cropping up in the genealogies and events.

  • Zoe
    2019-03-13 10:01

    Interesting and slightly different approach to a subject that's had almost every angle beaten out of it, told in an unfortunately mediocre form. Henry VIII's mistresses and bastards are always mentioned in books about him but never in such detail as is done here. That detail sometimes goes overboard, as when delving deeply into the family history of one of the husbands of the king's mistresses, to the point about three pages into the husband's history that I looked up in confusion, wondering what this all had to do with the subject. The detail was unbalanced in places, with much detail about the king's bastard the Duke of Richmond while little about Ethelreda, but that can be attributed to confirmed sources available. The family trees between every chapter were somewhat interesting but mostly unreadable on my Kindle Paperwhite, and sometimes confusingly referenced people discussed in neither of the surrounding chapters.As other reviewers have complained, the author has a tendency to make statements out of speculation, along the lines of "Henry would spend his life measuring the women he encountered against the idealization of his mother he carried in his mind." Not a direct quote, but the sentiment is repeatedly referenced as fact and unless the author discovered a previously unknown early psychoanalysis of Henry VIII (which I can't imagine happening without causing a major stir in historian community), such conjectures need to be presented in non-fiction as what they are - theories - not confirmed statements.And as I have complained before: AMAZON! PLEASE HAVE SOMEONE ACTUALLY READ YOUR EBOOKS BEFORE PUBLISHING THEM!! The number of simple formatting errors and missing and misplaced commas, hyphens, and spaces are enough to completely distract from any value of the book. A paper-published book would never be allowed out like this; why are electronic versions, especially when corrections are so simple? I'm going to start demanding Amazon pay me for reading their books if I have to continue to submit corrections on every page (yes, I know I don't HAVE to, but if I don't it'll bug me even more).

  • Laura
    2019-03-14 13:07

    A few years ago, as a way to get in the mood for Scarborough Faire in Waxahachie, I started reading books set in Tudor times and watching movies related to the Tudors. Here we are again, in Scarborough season, and it was time to find a new book. I found this book in the bargain bin and thought I'd scored by Scarborough Faire read for 2011.This is a very academic book, meant for those interested in the Tudors and genealogy which is why I was disappointed to find an error in the genealogical tree on page 54. (There is no way that John married John in those times!) There were a few spelling errors (no, I'm not talking about colour instead of color) which also caused me to question some of the validity of the author's claims. (I know that those types of errors are the fault of the editors but I have high standards for academic books.)She did tend towards sweeping generalizations but maybe they had a point. It's only through reading academic books that I have learned anything about those times. I don't have enough knowledge to fully understand how society worked at that time.I also found the notes on Lady Eleanor Luke amusing. A fictional character is being accepted as a real character simply because of the television show, "The Tudors." What fun! How will history further be rewritten due to the popularity of this show?

  • Cheryl
    2019-03-08 12:53

    The research and details are pretty amazing. You really get an insight into not only King Henry the VIII, but all the other characters along the way.It follows Henry's married life and goes through the stages of his 6 wives and all of his little mistress's along the way.Henry ends up having quite a few sons, but none of them were able to succeed the throne, for not reconised as a true heir.Some parts I got a little lost. There are SO many Elizabeths and Annes and Henrys etc. When you know 12 Annes. It makes you wonder how they kept up with it all back then also.There is a lot of referencing to money being spent on this person and that and this is how they work out who was where at what time. Great thinking really because the treasury records are properly all that are left from that time.All and all an enjoyable book for anyone who likes reading about the histroy of the Tudors. If you're not interested in it, I doubt if you would read much of this book at all.I'm always in wonder how the royal world would be if Catherine of Aragon had of had a surving son.I guess we'll never know!

  • Mardee
    2019-03-04 13:15

    Enjoyed this book and the insight that it gives into Henry VIII's personality. Rather than simply whitewashing him as a philanderer or playing to his reputation as a brutal and somewhat capricious king, the author dives into Henry's personality, interactions with his queens and mistresses, motivations for his actions, and the interaction between his children (legitimate and illegitimate alike). I also found it fascinating how the divorce from Katherine of Aragon made her daughter Mary illegitimate and caused issues with the succession, and how Elizabeth I tolerated somewhat treasonous behavior from her illegitimate half-brothers. I've read a lot about Henry and his wives in the past, and I guess it never occurred to me that he did have sons (five of them, in fact). The tragedy for all of them (especially his wives) is that all but one was illegitimate and therefore could not feed his all-consuming need for a male heir, and the one legitimate son was sickly and died young.All in all, a good read for history buffs who want to understand the Tudors and are okay with the author's somewhat sympathetic treatment of Henry and his actions.

  • Kara
    2019-03-06 13:53

    As another reader mentioned, this book is delivered in a very light and casual tone - almost as if you and Philippa were just chatting over coffee about it. What I enjoyed about it was learning new things about the wives we already know, as well as finding out new tidbits on the bastards of Henry VIII. What eventually made me hate the book is that she'd drone on at length about these "other Tudors" and their previous husbands or wives' families. It began to feel like I was hearing from my best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend who knows the kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night :) she probably could've cut down by 30 pages if she didn't talk about the families of the first husbands of the ex wives of Henry's bastard sons. Things like that. Anyway don't expect a scholarly pursuit see but it's a great way to learn more about your favorite rascally royal ;)

  • Helene Harrison
    2019-03-13 16:00

    ISBN? - 9781847734297General Subject/s? - History / TudorsTitle? - Well it does deal with his mistresses and bastards, though at least half of the book is made up of speculation that there is absolutely no historical evidence for.General Analysis? - I never thought I'd say this, but I actually prefer Kelly Hart's The Mistresses of Henry VIII to Philippa Jones's effort, although I did feel let down by both. Jones misses out several pertinent points, and barely covers Jane Seymour at all. The sections are short and not very detailed, and she does not really thoroughly explore the primary source base, or take into account many of the secondary source arguments. In my opinion, this book would have benefited from more thorough research and a more thorough exploration of the source base. However, her writing style is interesting and engaging, and she puts across her points in a clear and concise way.Recommend? - No, I thought Kelly Hart's attempt a little better.

  • Destiny
    2019-02-21 17:52

    I picked up this book when I went out to the Barnes and Noble for the first time since August 2011. I don't regret buying this book at all and the fact that I got it on a sale made it even better.I've been fascinated with Henry VIII's reign since 2002 when I was twelve years old. Over the years I've collected books (non fiction and fiction), DVDs, and anything related to the Tudor reign. But surprisingly I hadn't heard of some of the women and children in this book. I liked how each section spotlighted a different woman. I wish the author would have went into more detail about the ladies, but she gives the basics on each woman and the start of her affair with Henry.I did find some mistakes in the book. Small mistakes, but seriously listing Elizabeth I's death year as 1605? Really editors, you didn't catch that? All in all I give the book four stars! Good, but could have been better.

  • Kelly Stine
    2019-03-24 18:14

    Very interesting and well researched, but a bit dry.A very well research book, going into detail about the various mistresses and various bastards of Henry VIII. Although the author's research makes a very good case that Henry VIII had several male bastards, only one was ever officially recognized by the king, and if he hadn't died as a young man, British history could have been very different. But there were others male and female bastards - and if the King and his advisers had not been so worried about propriety and the royal succession - British history could have been very different than it was.It was a bit dry to read, and difficult to keep track of all the names of who was mother to, or wife of, son of, Lord or Duke of, etc. I've studied Tudor history, and I was finding it difficult to keep track - really needed a score card. BUT on the flip side, I loved the various Family Tree Diagrams at the beginning of each chapter - they were a big help.

  • Krista Ashe
    2019-03-22 09:59

    I usually devour anything about the Tudors at a steady clip, and I was looking forward to delving into an uncharted reading area for me on the mistresses and bastards, lol. However, I felt a lot of this was sparse, took too much backstory on Henry's life to make up for the fact there just wasn't that much there. So it took me longer to get through it. There were the usual suspects like Bessie Blount, and her son, Henry Fitzroy--Duke of Richmond, as well as the possibility of one of Mary Boleyn's children being Henry's. There was a daughter named Estherelda or something crazy like that, lol, that Henry bequeathed money to in his will. After the Bessie Blount incident, Henry made sure to always have a mistress that was already married, so while there was questioning, it would appear as though the child was the husbands. Final verdict, I had already been there, done that already, lol.

  • Amanda
    2019-02-24 15:17

    Such salacious subject matter, so academically arranged as to make for an exceedingly dry read. Bizarrely, for such a "senior thesis" style, many points made by the author are merely assumptions, rather than supported by historical documents. Jones bases entire swaths of her book, like the section on Etheldreda, on complete guesswork, making the academic tone even more of an annoyance. Not having a strong working knowledge of the events and marriages of Henry VIII's rule left me at a disadvantage as I tried to slog my way through this year-by-year recapitulation of the lives of his mistresses and illegitimate children. "The Other Tudors" is not for laymen wishing to dip in to the Tudor Court, but for academics looking to supplement their knowledge of all of Henry VIII's various liaisons.

  • Pamela
    2019-02-26 13:03

    Parts of this were dull and hard to read as the book was cluttered with a myriad of details and genealogies, but it did bring together Henry VIII's search for his ideal of romantic love through various wives and mistresses and explained his short attention span toward women which invaribly ended when they became pregnant. There was also the detail about Catherine of Aragon who actually bore Henry three sons, one of whom was stillborn and the other two died early, since history makes much of Catherine as giving him no sons. It was interesting to me that he had a total of eight children, five sons (only one legitimate) and three daughters--for a man who led a desperate life seeking sons. The book does address rumors and try to piece together compatible dates, residences, etc., which makes for difficult reading sometimes. I would only recommend this to serious history buffs.

  • Steve Odenthal
    2019-03-02 13:10

    This book delivers, as advertised, a slightly more in-depth discovery of Henry VIII. It is a well known story on the surface that deserves a kinder handling. The main theory here is that Henry was, rather than solely a womanizer intent on his own pleasures, a serial monogamist - loving only one woman at a time for the duration of his infatuation. My interest in this book was to get a genealogy of the lesser known offspring in hopes of discovering a jumping-off point for development of a stage-play. The information was there and the writing was adequate. There are no real revelations in Henry's life although I gained additional insight into the login and emotion that governed his life and decisions. History nuts will enjoy this textbook approach - if you are like me you will need to take notes to keep the players all straight. But that is what I was after.

  • Gretchen
    2019-03-05 14:53

    Philippa Jones uses Wikipedia pages as a cited source in this book. Anyone with any education should see the flaw in the use of Wikipedia as a legit source. This book is full of scenarios that would make for great fiction books. The fact that a publisher willingly published this book under the heading of nonfiction is laughable to me. Apparently Henry VIII potentially spent time in rooms with several different women. These women because pregnant and those children must be Henry VIII's. No. The evidence she provides for the paternal parentage of some of these people is stretching circumstantial. This book was a joke. I have seen this woman also wrote a book about the child(ren) of Elizabeth I. Seriously?!? No. I cannot take this woman seriously as an author of historical nonfiction.

  • Nicole
    2019-03-04 16:53

    This was a really engaging and well written book. It wasn't a dry historical book, but a very interesting one that kept the readers' attention easily (though it may have wandered a bit when the endless genealogy kept going on and on). For all that it was meant to be about the mistresses, it really only glanced over them briefly. It did, however, do a much better job when it came to talking about the bastards and the queens.The historian in me raised my eyebrows more than a few times about a number of her conclusions (the evidence she uses it little and flimsy in some cases, but it's still argued well enough that I can buy into it to some degree (or at least acknowledge why Jones argues it).